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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
		<link>http://innerteub.com/2010/04/19/if-i-only-i-wasnt-so-socialized-to-be-polite-then-id-really-have-something-to-say/#comment-331</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed that the &quot;cuz it&#039;s hard&quot; argument is bullshit, especially if &quot;hard&quot; means &quot;requires a lot of work and persistence.&quot; But if hard means &quot;scary and socially isolating,&quot; then i think there&#039;s some merit. Obviously, as women&#039;s consistent overachievement in higher ed hath shown, females are not exactly incapable of hard work. If you ask me, it all goes back to the willingness to engage in risk-taking behavior and social isolation/rejection, which is actually &quot;harder&quot; for most people to stomach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that the &#8220;cuz it&#8217;s hard&#8221; argument is bullshit, especially if &#8220;hard&#8221; means &#8220;requires a lot of work and persistence.&#8221; But if hard means &#8220;scary and socially isolating,&#8221; then i think there&#8217;s some merit. Obviously, as women&#8217;s consistent overachievement in higher ed hath shown, females are not exactly incapable of hard work. If you ask me, it all goes back to the willingness to engage in risk-taking behavior and social isolation/rejection, which is actually &#8220;harder&#8221; for most people to stomach.</p>
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		<title>By: lizteubner</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s not attitude towards risk taking and self promotion but rather general attitude towards the tech industry overall? I was the ONLY female in my stat computing courses for about 90% of the time (including the times I was the teacher), and it wasn&#039;t that long ago. Just a (not terrible original but still valid) thought.

Look, I do agree that women need to be better at self promotion. I don&#039;t feel this issue as strongly given that the people that grew me up didn&#039;t allow for much shrinking violet behavior, but I can concede that I&#039;m not the norm, and that society and general will benefit from reduction with this behavior. But if you look at what I&#039;m actually taking an issue with - the suggestion that women don&#039;t start companies because it&#039;s hard - I just don&#039;t think that encompasses the whole problem. And I think the choices women -that I - am/are making are getting bucketed under the shrinking violet theory, when in fact there&#039;s a lot more to do with it than that, and they&#039;re not so dissimilar from the choices men are making, and not much change can be affected if you ignore that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s not attitude towards risk taking and self promotion but rather general attitude towards the tech industry overall? I was the ONLY female in my stat computing courses for about 90% of the time (including the times I was the teacher), and it wasn&#8217;t that long ago. Just a (not terrible original but still valid) thought.</p>
<p>Look, I do agree that women need to be better at self promotion. I don&#8217;t feel this issue as strongly given that the people that grew me up didn&#8217;t allow for much shrinking violet behavior, but I can concede that I&#8217;m not the norm, and that society and general will benefit from reduction with this behavior. But if you look at what I&#8217;m actually taking an issue with &#8211; the suggestion that women don&#8217;t start companies because it&#8217;s hard &#8211; I just don&#8217;t think that encompasses the whole problem. And I think the choices women -that I &#8211; am/are making are getting bucketed under the shrinking violet theory, when in fact there&#8217;s a lot more to do with it than that, and they&#8217;re not so dissimilar from the choices men are making, and not much change can be affected if you ignore that.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Mireles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure. But what objects are movable? 

-Women&#039;s anatomy? Nope. 
-Women&#039;s desire to have kids? Maybe, but really really really hard and probably not worth doing.
-Women&#039;s self-confidence + attitude toward risk taking and self-promotion? Still hard, but something worth doing that could potentially have a big positive impact on broader society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure. But what objects are movable? </p>
<p>-Women&#8217;s anatomy? Nope.<br />
-Women&#8217;s desire to have kids? Maybe, but really really really hard and probably not worth doing.<br />
-Women&#8217;s self-confidence + attitude toward risk taking and self-promotion? Still hard, but something worth doing that could potentially have a big positive impact on broader society.</p>
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		<title>By: lizteubner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lizteubner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I&#039;m just trying to suggest that the reason there is an imbalance w/r/t to the lack of women in the tech industry is greater than the &quot;shrinking violet&quot; theory, and I think it&#039;s dismissive of the general multifaceted nature of life to suggest otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m just trying to suggest that the reason there is an imbalance w/r/t to the lack of women in the tech industry is greater than the &#8220;shrinking violet&#8221; theory, and I think it&#8217;s dismissive of the general multifaceted nature of life to suggest otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Mireles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so here&#039;s what I don&#039;t get about this argument...

You&#039;re positing a couple different things here that don&#039;t seem to add up.

1) Women are underrepresented in the technology industry. This is a bad, unnatural thing that needs to be fixed.

2) Women have great reasons for not joining startups that have nothing to do with culture and everything to do with childbearing and the nature of human reproduction.

Soo...it seems that if supposition #2 is correct, then assumption #1 is wrong, and there really is no &quot;problem&quot; and the imbalance is an unfortunate by naturally occurring non-evil phenomenon OR there&#039;s some other factor contributing to the lack of women in tech startups. Señor Shirky&#039;s &quot;shrinking violet&quot; argument regarding the tendency of the female psyche seems as good an argument as any on this front. Do you have a better one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so here&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t get about this argument&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re positing a couple different things here that don&#8217;t seem to add up.</p>
<p>1) Women are underrepresented in the technology industry. This is a bad, unnatural thing that needs to be fixed.</p>
<p>2) Women have great reasons for not joining startups that have nothing to do with culture and everything to do with childbearing and the nature of human reproduction.</p>
<p>Soo&#8230;it seems that if supposition #2 is correct, then assumption #1 is wrong, and there really is no &#8220;problem&#8221; and the imbalance is an unfortunate by naturally occurring non-evil phenomenon OR there&#8217;s some other factor contributing to the lack of women in tech startups. Señor Shirky&#8217;s &#8220;shrinking violet&#8221; argument regarding the tendency of the female psyche seems as good an argument as any on this front. Do you have a better one?</p>
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